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here we go our side chatters welcome to

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the show drinking a little drink smoking

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a little smoke and having a heck of a

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Valentine's Day in sunny San Diego I'm

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Greg Karl wood and we are taking back

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this Hallmark holiday today in a big way

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this is probably an episode some of our

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networks might skip a show you might not

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want to share with the whole family not

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one for the kids it's not overly vulgar

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or anything but we're talking about sex

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for two hours so if you're easily

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offended why even try for the rest of us

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I think this is a pretty fun topic and

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when new page sent over Jason's book

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v-day special was my first thought and

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here we are the thought has been

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manifested the only other thing I would

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mention is that we started on skype and

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then after two questions moved over to

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the landline phone because we had some

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odd connection problems it was cutting

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out in a weird way at key moments so

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instead of just dealing with it I

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thought it'd be better to make the

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change pretty early on I want to let you

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know that that happens and from there

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it's pretty smooth sailing so let's dive

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into it I know a lot of people have

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emailed me being like when is that sex

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magic show coming out so here it comes

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sex magic tantric sorcery or monkey Lai

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and more with Jason Miller enjoy

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I want to use you some of them want a

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can you find you some of them want to

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abuse you some of them want to be

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all right people it has been a long

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journey for us at THC and of all the

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vast subjects we dive into one of the

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most intriguing for me is magic and at

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this point we've talked with many magic

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practitioners and a whole host of

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different schools and techniques and

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themes and today we're going to get back

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to the magical ogia THC today's guest

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Jason Miller was my guest over two years

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ago on only our 31st episode talking

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about financial sorcery and now he's

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back to shed some light on magic for the

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lovers Jason's new book is called sex

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sorcery and spirit the secrets of

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esoteric magic and he's just the guy to

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write it Jason's been peeking behind the

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veil since his early teens studying with

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ceremonial magicians root workers

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witches tantric Lamas and more all

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before hidden the legal drinking age

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eventually Jason's magical pursuit

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brought him to a stint in the OTO and a

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journey to Nepal where he took things up

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a notch and found a way to incorporate

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the best of the best from several

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traditions both east and west and

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developed a style all his own that I'm

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psyched to talk more about today Jason

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my man welcome back to THC thanks for

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having me I'm excited to be back yeah

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man this is great thanks for doing it uh

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I think it's gonna be a blast you were

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my first guest on magic I knew almost

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nothing at the time I feel way more

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equipped to have that conversation now

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but um let me have you reintroduce you

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our philosophy and approach to magic and

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sorcery in general for the people

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because everybody's different and I find

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it's a good way to understand where

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someone is coming from right out of the

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gate all right so my philosophy of magic

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is pretty purely pragmatic whether you

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are talking about spiritual evolution or

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effects in the outer world like finances

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from the last one I'm about getting

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things done what making change with

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stuff that you do not stuff that you

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believe not stuff that has no effect on

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you personally as far as you know what

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you think the emanations of reality are

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so I choose the term sorcerer because it

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is it implies someone who is doing

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something not on a purely mystical level

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uh my philosophy also strongly

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incorporates the magical and the mundane

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together much more so integrated closer

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than in any other system that I'm aware

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so while lots of magical systems will

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say well you know here's a spell for

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giving a job and then you should go out

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and look for a job magical systems based

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upon doing is felled to find a job then

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doing a spell for each step of finding a

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job and then also putting as much

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thought and effort into how you're doing

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that as you do the magical limb so you

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know that's why in my last book

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financial sorcery I went on and on about

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how to put together resumes and how to

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manage money and so on

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more more even than the magical end and

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so in this new book on sex magic the

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same thing there's a lot of technical

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expertise for the sex act married with

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energetic and spiritual functions up I

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know you've gone through a lot of

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traditional schools but I guess would

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you consider yourself now somewhat of a

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chaos magician no um there's there's

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several differences between chaos with

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magic and what I do you know in a way

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it's a shame because ever since the

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advent of chaos magic people have tended

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to look at anyone that combines multiple

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systems or or is involved in multiple

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systems as chaos magician but people

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have been doing this for thousands of

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years you know yeah go back and call the

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the people that wrote the Greek magical

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papyri chaos magicians so or for that

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matter the the people that put together

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Tibetan Buddhism Nate century you know

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they're not chaos magicians they're

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people that interface with multiple

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systems because when you're doing magic

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it's not about boom it's not about

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considering the one solution it's about

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the

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all of us were confronted so a magician

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should have no more trouble putting

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together say you know compliments of

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Tibetan magic and say Western magic or

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Greek magic then one would going to New

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York City hopping into a cab driven by a

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Greek driver and coming and dropping off

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it's all it's all been so great so the

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aspects of Chaos magic that I appreciate

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are the aspects that streamline

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processes to not get caught up in a

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bunch of baroque ritualism but the

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aspects that I reject have to do with

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not really giving any reality to any

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spirit

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beyond Vermont so whereas a chaos

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magician might feel perfectly

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comfortable invoking Scrooge McDuck burn

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money I think that's a little silly and

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I find a definite difference between

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Scrooge McDuck and say Jupiter whereas

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the chaos magician would say that you

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know more people quote believe in

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Superman than in Helios in today's well

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I would say that's not true

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no one believes in Superman tensions

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gotcha so belief itself is also less of

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a function in my world than it is in

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chaos meant most of the magic that IU

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prerequisite an archetype or a memetic

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entity but I understand that

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incorporating that into a serious

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practice I guess it just sort of depends

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on how the individual views the

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mechanics of magic as to if those type

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of workings would have any merit or not

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but I appreciate you laying out some of

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your ideas on magic and sorcery it's an

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important first step in a conversation

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about something that can be very

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individualized and I also have to

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apologize to those listening because I

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know the microphone Jason is using

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sounds good but we're having some weird

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distortion problem

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probably due to the connection somehow

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so we're gonna pick this up on the

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landline and I think we're gonna have a

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lot more consistency without those weird

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drops and that said I really do want to

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get into the topic at hand of sex magic

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but I just got to ask you first about

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studying in the Himalayas I mean

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obviously a guy from New Jersey making

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the pilgrimage to the exotic lands of

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Nepal and a quest for magical knowledge

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sounds very sexy very provocative and

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fairly unique so I gotta ask you to tell

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us a little bit about that what was that

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adventure like man it was amazing it was

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it was amazing but but far from unique

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in fact I remember one moment walking

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away from treating nor boots a which is

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a big bump o monastery outside of SLAM

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boo Nam and I was walking with my

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teacher lama Vadra Natha whose name is

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john real name is john reynolds and he

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is also from new jersey I met him when I

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was still a teenager and we were walking

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with a guy that's an explorer into that

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John bellezza and he is also from New

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Jersey no we should where we were like

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three generations of Jersey guys walking

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through Nepal near this bumpo monastery

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it was it was pretty wild but it was

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fantastic I had someone who was able to

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unlock a lot of doors for me before I

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went over there and as well as

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connections I had made myself in the

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preceding year so once I hit Kathmandu a

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lot of doors started opening I moved out

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to the foothills and lived with the

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famous Ngoc butter which is like a

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Tibetan sorcerer non monastic you know

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contract sorcerer and I lived with

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conveying dorje for a month and then

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came back to the city and did other

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studies and you know it was III when I

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was young I was a little bit of a comic

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book geek and

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all the great mystical superheroes they

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get their powers from Tibet and then

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Mandrake the Magician Tibet the shadow

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Tibet Doctor Strange Tibet even Doctor

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Doom Tibet so I just figured hey you

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know if I'm gonna you know I've taken

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the Western tradition as far as I can

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take it right now and I feel like I'm

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being pulled in this direction I should

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go as close to that as I can of course

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nowadays most of the Tibetans that are

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actually able to teach are not in Tibet

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there in the call or in India so that

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was the place to go

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that's very cool so let's get into it

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erotic alchemy and sex magic people

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might come into this thinking all sorts

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of things having a bunch of preconceived

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notions about it or what it might be so

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how would you define and introduce this

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to somebody who isn't familiar with the

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slice of the sorcery pie well the first

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thing that I would say is that we want

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to separate it out from love magic so

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this is not magic to get a lover it is

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not magic to get laid that is a

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different kind of thing so in other

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words if you're casting spells or

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summoning spirits in order to find

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romance or to you know find someone to

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have sex with that's a whole other ball

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of wax nothing wrong with that might you

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know I've done that myself might write

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about it in the future

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but not what we're talking about here

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what we're talking about here is the use

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of sex as a tool in magic

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so the magic could be aimed at anything

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it could be aimed at spiritual evolution

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it could be aimed at finding a job

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it could be aimed at getting even with

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your neighbors of whatever sex is the

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tool and the idea here is that sex is

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just a powerful potent and primordial

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thing and when you think about it on on

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all

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different levels it makes total sense

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first of all on the physical level sex

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is what create people so it is an act of

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creation so if you think of your

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intended result as a quote-unquote

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magical child then it totally makes

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sense that if you divert the energies of

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sex towards this goal then you're able

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to manifest it on the energetic level I

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think even even people that are not a

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cultist not magicians not even New Agers

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or Yogi's or or yoga practitioners or

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martial artists other people who get

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used to sort of feeling and projecting

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energy I think even if you're not one of

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those people you feel the energies of

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the body during sex right you know

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people can feel the energy move in their

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body we can feel it in their head they

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can feel it in their you know in their

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sexy parts and you know they can feel it

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sort of gather and move and flow so

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there is this intense amount of energy

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that you're working with and then there

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is this huge mental thing first of all

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sex itself is a primordial Drive so we

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entered the mental energy that accompany

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sex is hugely powerful but also that

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moment of orgasm that explodes the ego

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which is why the French call it the

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petite more the little death because the

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mind just shatters at that moment and it

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opens this gateway into this other state

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you know the whole idea of contract

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Buddhism is that Buddhahood is not that

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far away that you can explore it and

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reach it not only through sort of the

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ordinary means

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uh you know renunciation and slowly

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slowly building your way there but you

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can sort of blast your way there or I'll

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chemically transform your way there by

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experiencing these states that are close

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to it in one of those states in one of

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the most easily accessed of those states

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is the sex act is the moment of orgasm

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yeah man I agree with you I know for me

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personally I am pretty energetically

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dense I don't seem to feel the same

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effects from Reiki or locations where

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people say they feel a high energy or

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from being around crystals or any of

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those types of things but when people

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start talking about the Kundalini or the

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chakras or energy systems in the body

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again it's not something I felt much in

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my life with the exception of course of

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the orgasm and then that's what really

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makes it more interesting because we

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don't really consider the feeling of the

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orgasm that much we take it for granted

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but it is weird and it's very very

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powerful there's nothing else like it at

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least not in sober reality that I know

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of and you could interpret that as a

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clue from the universe that there's more

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out there or you could say it's like the

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lowest hanging fruit on a vast tree of

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energetic possibilities and no one

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really ever goes above that lowest rung

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so it probably is worth being curious

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about and exploring the deeper

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possibilities of as well as occasionally

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having a conscious intention for that

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energy transfer it does make sense to me

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Sega and virtually speaking it's very

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appropriate for those of us that are not

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monks you know one of the stories I tell

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at the beginning of the book is the the

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origin of the gruesome Asha Tantra and

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in this King Indra beauty sees birds

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flying north into the Himalayas every

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night and South down into India every

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morning and he asked his ministers

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what's going on and they say oh that's

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not Birds at all that the Buddha and

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he's flying north into the Himalayas to

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do secret

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yoga's at night and then flies back to

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Varanasi in the morning to teach

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Buddhism so in djibouti invites him

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to the kingdom to teach and he spends a

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few days teaching the Buddhism that we

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all know you know renouncing sex and

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drinking you know all the fun stuff and

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you know quitting your job and becoming

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a monk and all that kind of jazz and

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finally the king is like well look you

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know this is all well and good but I'm

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the king you know my wife would be

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really pissed at me I've got many

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children who would be left fatherless

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I've got a kingdom to run and and it

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would just cause all kinds of strife if

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I were to suddenly say you know what I'm

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going to become a monk

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is there no other way to achieve

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enlightenment and the Buddha smiled and

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instantly transformed into this glorious

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three-headed six-armed awesome contract

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being who had then another contract

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being on his lap but he was having sex

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with and all the are haunts that

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accompany the Buddha fated straightaway

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which explains why none of this is in

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the sutras and he then explained to the

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King how you can achieve enlightenment

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through tantric sex so it's a it's a

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path that is open and effective to those

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of us that have you know worldly

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commitments that are not have chosen for

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whatever reason not to renounce the

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world yeah I actually I really like that

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story

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and it does speak to one of the

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questions I had for you which is why we

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see enlightenment so often equated with

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celibacy among monks and everything but

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yet they have this school of of sex

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magic that I guess has just tucked away

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and not really talked about why is it

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that we always see celibacy is such a

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big deal with monks well you know it's

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not even that it's not talked about the

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sex

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imagery is very prevalent in Tibetan

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Buddhism you can walk into any monastery

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and see images of the deities having

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but the idea is that it's not safe the

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safe way is the monastic way the safe

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way is you know to slowly cultivate

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positive qualities to slowly get rid of

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negative qualities to renounce those

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negative qualities this is the safer way

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this is the way that is most appropriate

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to most people or at least it was back

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in the day but there are many writings

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that indicate that we are no longer in

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such an era where these things are the

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most appropriate but even today I would

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not recommend sex magic as the path to

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everyone or even to most people out

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there but that's no reason to keep it

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utterly hidden and secret mm-hmm agreed

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now there are some things you talk about

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sexual yoga in the book and Himalayan

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Tantra is there a difference between

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these two things

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well you know sexual yo yoga is just

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means really practices you know you can

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go to an ashram or a Dharma Center and

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they'll give you Karma Yoga say you know

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do some karma yoga what they're telling

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you is clean up the shrine and so you

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know everything is a yoga not just hatha

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yoga of bending yourself and to you know

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cool asanas and stuff like that so yoga

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is sort of a general term for practices

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originating in India and and and also

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the Himalayas you can't and you know

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kontrick Buddhism contract sex practices

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are a yoga you know kamamoto yoga would

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fall under that but these you know sex

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practices are not limited to this region

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by any sense there's lots of Taoist sex

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magic

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Western tradition more recently we have

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the traditions originated by Pascal

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Beverly Randolph and carried on by

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Aleister Crowley and so on but we also

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have hint of sex magic practice or

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sexual spirituality and early

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Christianity with the sacrament of the

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bridal chamber and so on but we you know

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a lot of that has been lost to history

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and persecution and purging of

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historical records so so true so true

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and that damage applies to so many

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things but one one thing you did talk

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about in the book from a historical

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context within religions is the idea of

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having sex with gods of course it's huge

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in Greek mythology and Egyptian

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mythology and even Christianity not only

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with the Nephilim but also the story of

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Jesus you have Mary being impregnated by

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God I find that interesting that so many

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religions have that theme of sex with

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the gods or non-human entities and today

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I think a lot of people will probably

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find that to be crazy or impossible but

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that might just be a product of our

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current culture to think that it's not

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possible but there are some reasons to

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think that it might be right well you

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know I mean it is certainly within the

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realm of possibility if you believe in

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these things it is also I ensure you

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know that many an unwanted pregnancy or

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you know child born by rape or something

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like that was sort of you know in in old

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days reported as an immaculate

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conception of some kind or another but

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there are multitude of ways that this

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happened so for instance in the in the

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medieval Christian tradition you have a

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lot of writings about kinky buses and

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succubus as demons that come and steal

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the sexual essence the Incubus of course

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meaning laying

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on top so it's the male demon that

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mounts emails in their sleep and then

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the succubus meaning laying underneath

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the female demon who takes male nightly

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missions the explanation for wet dreams

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and then you have but a lot of

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modern-day examples you know I talked

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about this woman in Iceland who

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allegedly had sex with elves and Ida

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Craddock who lived in Philadelphia and

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wrote extensively about heavenly

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bridegroom's how to take an angel as a

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lover and and how this itself was a type

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of holy practice a yoga if you will that

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having sex with this being that is you

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know in nature close to God brings you

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by proxy closer to God

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yeah I don't was an interesting one I

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guess she she felt like she was married

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to an angel named Soph or something like

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something close to that

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00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:17,749
Wow I guess she felt like she had enough

544
00:26:23,739 --> 00:26:20,570
sustained contact with this being to

545
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:23,749
actually commit to them in a physical

546
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:25,369
relationship that's pretty wild

547
00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:29,570
yeah what a lot of good books about

548
00:26:35,889 --> 00:26:33,169
autocratically and I I think you know

549
00:26:38,769 --> 00:26:35,899
folks in the OTO and the selamat

550
00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:38,779
community in general deserve a lot of

551
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:41,169
credit because while she was not

552
00:26:46,029 --> 00:26:44,090
particularly you know I don't even know

553
00:26:49,779 --> 00:26:46,039
she was even aware of Aleister Crowley

554
00:26:51,609 --> 00:26:49,789
at all but her writings have been mostly

555
00:26:54,669 --> 00:26:51,619
brought to light through the efforts of

556
00:26:57,310 --> 00:26:54,679
people in that community and of course

557
00:27:01,930 --> 00:26:57,320
Crowley wrote very positively about her

558
00:27:05,109 --> 00:27:01,940
work so kudos to them for you know they

559
00:27:08,889 --> 00:27:05,119
sometimes get accused and rightly so of

560
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:08,899
being a little too stuck on the writings

561
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:11,450
of Crowley but at least they have gone

562
00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:14,690
so far as to shed more light on Randolph

563
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:16,419
and on

564
00:27:23,489 --> 00:27:20,320
in recent years so huh you know one step

565
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,499
removed yeah well let's talk about the

566
00:27:27,539 --> 00:27:25,600
OTO a little bit you you have had

567
00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:27,549
first-hand experience you've been with

568
00:27:31,739 --> 00:27:29,470
them for a little while I guess in the

569
00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:31,749
book you say that you were kind of you

570
00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:33,539
were kind of frustrated with the

571
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:36,039
progression with the time length of the

572
00:27:40,259 --> 00:27:38,440
progression throughout it but what can

573
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:40,269
you tell us about the OTO and your

574
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:41,830
experience with them as it pertains to

575
00:27:48,239 --> 00:27:45,220
two sects in the magical practice well

576
00:27:52,109 --> 00:27:48,249
you know I I would have to save it I

577
00:27:55,019 --> 00:27:52,119
mean the church I mean the timeline of

578
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:55,029
how one progresses from mineral to ninth

579
00:28:00,869 --> 00:27:57,730
degree was a matter of frustration that

580
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:00,879
was not my main reason for for departing

581
00:28:05,399 --> 00:28:03,129
but I left on good terms and I think of

582
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,409
them fondly and recommend them to people

583
00:28:10,139 --> 00:28:08,200
that are interested in that and have

584
00:28:14,609 --> 00:28:10,149
nothing but a you know a positive

585
00:28:19,139 --> 00:28:14,619
experience that said the OTO nowadays

586
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:19,149
has largely forgotten its original

587
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:22,330
mission of spreading sex magic teachings

588
00:28:28,889 --> 00:28:25,629
in favour of spreading the law of belief

589
00:28:32,999 --> 00:28:28,899
so it is much more a vehicle for the

590
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,009
philosophy / religion really stemming

591
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:35,919
from Alastair crow so that I'm not

592
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:37,929
particularly interested in so I

593
00:28:44,849 --> 00:28:41,129
eventually got a lot of the teachings

594
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:44,859
that the OTO gives through a secondary

595
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:48,600
order called the cathodic Iranian and

596
00:28:57,239 --> 00:28:52,200
overall the the sex magic teachings of

597
00:29:02,849 --> 00:28:57,249
Aleister Crowley are interesting but in

598
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:02,859
my opinion they lack a key element that

599
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:05,230
I found in in the east and that is the

600
00:29:12,570 --> 00:29:08,470
element of inner heat western sex magic

601
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:12,580
looks at alchemy for how they believe

602
00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:16,450
sex magic to work and and rightly so and

603
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:18,909
so they look at the act of sex as the

604
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,350
heating as the sublimation of the elixir

605
00:29:28,049 --> 00:29:26,320
or the elements you know the gross

606
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:28,059
element which will produce the elixir

607
00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:29,680
and if they're right about that

608
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:33,550
as well but in practice they interpret

609
00:29:37,050 --> 00:29:36,130
this heating is simply having sex for a

610
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:37,060
long time

611
00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:39,880
you know one of the people to spell this

612
00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:43,420
out very very plainly for the West was

613
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:46,990
Don Michael Craig and his modern magic

614
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:48,910
and then later in his book about sex

615
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:52,720
magic and he he speaks about it almost

616
00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:55,210
purely in terms of length you're having

617
00:30:03,390 --> 00:29:59,790
sex for a minimum of 20 to 40 minutes

618
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:03,400
and that this is what what is the

619
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:07,150
heating process but that's not the case

620
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:09,100
in the east in the case in the East is

621
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:13,060
that very specific movement of energy

622
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:17,080
and breath creates the heat and then you

623
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,880
bring that into the sexual area so

624
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:23,200
that's the element that's sort of

625
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:25,240
missing and then the other thing about

626
00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:27,700
curly is that a lot of the sexual

627
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:31,780
teachings are masked in alchemical terms

628
00:30:38,790 --> 00:30:35,590
and hidden away as was needed during the

629
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:38,800
Victorian age you know but we are not in

630
00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:41,530
the Victorian age you know you can talk

631
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:45,640
plainly about these things nowadays and

632
00:30:52,860 --> 00:30:49,360
not have ladies collapsing into piles of

633
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:52,870
crinoline at the shock you know we live

634
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:55,060
in the era of two girls one cup there is

635
00:31:05,970 --> 00:30:58,020
nothing in sex magic that is shocking

636
00:31:09,210 --> 00:31:05,980
anymore happen so it's uh the time for

637
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:09,220
like giggling and discussing these in

638
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:13,600
coded terms it's just silly I mean it's

639
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:16,330
it yet people still do it in some of

640
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:18,490
these communities act like this is some

641
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:22,630
really big titillating deal when you

642
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:25,150
know it sixth graders are discussing

643
00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:28,150
things with more Frank and frankness and

644
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:33,910
tender so let's maybe mention a couple

645
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:38,530
of sexual sorcery 101 things before we

646
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:41,350
kind of get into maybe some actual ideas

647
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:43,570
for the practice for example I guess

648
00:31:49,859 --> 00:31:46,809
something people might not realize is

649
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:49,869
that a big part of this is realizing

650
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:52,600
that the orgasm and the ejaculation are

651
00:31:57,629 --> 00:31:55,299
two separate processes for the male they

652
00:31:59,729 --> 00:31:57,639
come really close together but it's a

653
00:32:01,229 --> 00:31:59,739
fundamental thing to realize that that

654
00:32:03,659 --> 00:32:01,239
length of time between the two can be

655
00:32:05,639 --> 00:32:03,669
greatly expanded and played with to

656
00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:05,649
really understand what kind of things

657
00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:08,979
people are doing right exactly exactly

658
00:32:15,149 --> 00:32:13,659
and this is um you know this goes into

659
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:15,159
what I was saying before about that

660
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:18,129
moment of orgasm you know that moment of

661
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:21,809
orgasm is that that magical mind

662
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:27,190
splitting egos shattering moment and so

663
00:32:36,749 --> 00:32:32,559
if you can extend that if you can make

664
00:32:41,369 --> 00:32:36,759
make it effects deeper and to last

665
00:32:45,719 --> 00:32:41,379
longer then you've really come on to

666
00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:45,729
something and so recognizing that you

667
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:49,720
can have an orgasm without physical

668
00:32:55,499 --> 00:32:52,690
ejaculation is one of the keys to

669
00:32:59,129 --> 00:32:55,509
retaining energy what the Chinese called

670
00:33:01,710 --> 00:32:59,139
Jing your generative energy they believe

671
00:33:04,229 --> 00:33:01,720
that you don't get any more generative

672
00:33:07,769 --> 00:33:04,239
energy throughout your life that you

673
00:33:10,859 --> 00:33:07,779
only have a certain amount so you know

674
00:33:14,029 --> 00:33:10,869
we have these practices whereby we have

675
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:14,039
the orgasm but we do reverse the flow of

676
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:18,190
the fluid and the energy rather than

677
00:33:25,139 --> 00:33:20,710
this down having everything flow down

678
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:25,149
and out we can reverse it to go upward

679
00:33:33,779 --> 00:33:29,679
and inward this is a little bit like the

680
00:33:38,009 --> 00:33:33,789
best description is plugging your your

681
00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:38,019
groin into your brain directly yeah

682
00:33:42,989 --> 00:33:40,419
you're taking your lower centers and

683
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:42,999
your upper centers that are normally

684
00:33:48,509 --> 00:33:45,279
connected through your you're shushing

685
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:48,519
nun and and through the levels of the

686
00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:51,539
chakras and so on and you're basically

687
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:52,800
just

688
00:34:03,360 --> 00:33:58,810
connecting a direct line and damn it's

689
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:03,370
an amazing experience and and even more

690
00:34:09,570 --> 00:34:06,180
sexually gratifying than the normal

691
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:09,580
release of orgasm and of course this

692
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:13,210
feeds into why there's so much sex

693
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:16,990
instruction for men in not only because

694
00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:19,030
of the patriarchy which is probably the

695
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:23,260
biggest reason but because men lose our

696
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:27,190
fluid at orgasm and women don't we tend

697
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:29,590
to feel physically exhausted after

698
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:34,000
orgasm women don't we are generally not

699
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:36,429
predisposed towards multiple orgasms

700
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:38,830
unless we are able to control ourselves

701
00:34:49,980 --> 00:34:47,190
well women are so we need now so this is

702
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:49,990
yeah that's that's spot-on that that

703
00:34:57,090 --> 00:34:54,460
window between that the two can be can

704
00:35:01,320 --> 00:34:57,100
be played with a very specific way

705
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,330
mm-hmm man is of course you know sex and

706
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:03,760
magic even separately are two are the

707
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:05,800
biggest taboos our society has had

708
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,080
throughout history but you can't deny

709
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:10,240
and modern times you'd be a fool to deny

710
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:12,910
you don't like an orgasm and the how

711
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:15,670
could the idea of lengthening that or

712
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:18,250
gaining more control over that how could

713
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:20,050
that not be intriguing to someone you

714
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:21,880
know life is about experience and about

715
00:35:27,660 --> 00:35:25,990
pleasure and I I think that you know

716
00:35:29,490 --> 00:35:27,670
you're lying to yourself if someone were

717
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:29,500
to say they aren't intrigued by that

718
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:31,480
although it does seem like daunting work

719
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:35,170
I will say it is it is daunting work it

720
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:38,050
is and that's the thing about this book

721
00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:43,260
is that it presents the challenge of

722
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:45,750
something that you're going to have to

723
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,840
do exercises for a lot of the things in

724
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:51,820
this book the things that are the most

725
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:55,240
important in this book are things that

726
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:57,610
you will have to train to do that that

727
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:00,040
you will have to you know when you're

728
00:36:03,099 --> 00:36:01,330
going to the bathroom you're gonna have

729
00:36:06,339 --> 00:36:03,109
to stop and start your urine

730
00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:06,349
just and exercise that muscle to be able

731
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:07,759
to control you're going to have to get

732
00:36:15,069 --> 00:36:10,130
used to breathing in a different way

733
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:15,079
while still being active so this is

734
00:36:24,249 --> 00:36:22,160
probably going to be one of my you know

735
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:24,259
I hope not but but one of my least

736
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:26,839
popular books in the end although it's

737
00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:30,589
well reviewed because it presents

738
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:33,349
something that most people are just not

739
00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:36,680
going to put the time and effort and

740
00:36:43,749 --> 00:36:39,980
especially nowadays where when men are

741
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:43,759
losing interest in sex even even just

742
00:36:49,989 --> 00:36:47,420
ordinary sex in favor of you know

743
00:36:54,009 --> 00:36:49,999
watching porn use the accessibility of

744
00:36:57,809 --> 00:36:54,019
porn so to give them the challenge not

745
00:37:02,289 --> 00:36:57,819
only of getting laid but of actually

746
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:02,299
having to do all this work it just might

747
00:37:08,979 --> 00:37:07,220
not like not pan out it's tough enough

748
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:08,989
for some people just to get sex and now

749
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:11,950
you want people to try to master it

750
00:37:16,930 --> 00:37:15,529
exactly but it is well worth it it is

751
00:37:20,499 --> 00:37:16,940
well worth it

752
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:20,509
I'm sure and you brought up porn and I

753
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:22,910
did have an interesting take away from

754
00:37:27,549 --> 00:37:24,650
your book learning about this study of

755
00:37:30,430 --> 00:37:27,559
supernormal stimuli and how it's

756
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:30,440
affected birds and animals this kind of

757
00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:32,210
you made a connection to porn and how it

758
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,829
might be affecting us but can you tell

759
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:35,599
the people a little bit about that study

760
00:37:38,049 --> 00:37:36,380
because I thought that was an

761
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:38,059
interesting angle on the way we could

762
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:42,230
maybe think about porn well you know I I

763
00:37:47,410 --> 00:37:45,140
don't even I don't have the specific

764
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:47,420
study in front of me right now and of

765
00:37:50,499 --> 00:37:48,890
course when you're writing a book you

766
00:37:53,259 --> 00:37:50,509
have all this stuff in front of you for

767
00:37:56,229 --> 00:37:53,269
easy reference and then so you know

768
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:56,239
forgive me if I if I miss any details at

769
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:00,160
all but in general you know supernormal

770
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:04,960
stimuli are things that you will

771
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:08,569
ordinarily come across in the course of

772
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:11,900
your life but represent exaggerated

773
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:15,800
versions of the things that

774
00:38:23,350 --> 00:38:19,880
excite you show examples that were given

775
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:23,360
were sort of you know they figured out

776
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:25,370
that that I think it's like beak size

777
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:28,130
and thing in seagulls that are

778
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:31,550
particularly attractive so they made

779
00:38:39,220 --> 00:38:34,310
these fake seagulls with these really

780
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:39,230
colorful and bright deep and men wood or

781
00:38:46,750 --> 00:38:44,000
male seagulls would shun actual females

782
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:46,760
in favor of being dummies because they

783
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:51,680
had the fake part this was there were

784
00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:53,750
there were numerous examples of this

785
00:38:59,260 --> 00:38:56,150
that I think I cited in the book but

786
00:39:03,400 --> 00:38:59,270
overall the idea is that the more you

787
00:39:05,740 --> 00:39:03,410
program your brain to react to the

788
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:05,750
supernormal stimuli the less they're

789
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:08,690
going to react to normals than you and

790
00:39:15,010 --> 00:39:11,630
of course there's always been

791
00:39:19,780 --> 00:39:15,020
pornography you know but it's never been

792
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,790
the case that you know you could I mean

793
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:22,640
while sitting writing the book it would

794
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:26,630
take me less than two seconds if I

795
00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:29,330
wanted to watch some kind of pornography

796
00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:32,270
right you know you wouldn't have to go

797
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:34,310
to extraordinary lengths anymore

798
00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:37,400
it's just blink it's there any kind that

799
00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:39,950
you can possibly imagine and of course

800
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:42,740
what people report is that tastes get

801
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,870
more and more extreme so they start

802
00:39:51,550 --> 00:39:47,440
watching a little bit of pornography and

803
00:39:54,190 --> 00:39:51,560
then that doesn't do it anymore so they

804
00:39:57,580 --> 00:39:54,200
need something stronger and they need

805
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,590
something you know this is how sort of

806
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,520
extreme pace develop and there's nothing

807
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:03,680
wrong with extreme taste I think you

808
00:40:10,980 --> 00:40:06,650
know I mean I as far as it I'm concerned

809
00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:10,990
if it's safe and consensual and involves

810
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:13,540
adult

811
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:22,090
fine but you know the reality is that

812
00:40:28,589 --> 00:40:26,390
surgically enhanced people that are

813
00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:28,599
submitting to

814
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:31,880
whatever kind of fetish you can imagine

815
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:35,119
for money are probably not the person

816
00:40:40,510 --> 00:40:38,150
that you're dating or married to right

817
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:40,520
you know even those people you know

818
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:43,490
they're doing it for for money for your

819
00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:45,770
entertainment they're probably not only

820
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:49,220
doing that in their bedroom so in turn

821
00:40:58,089 --> 00:40:52,569
you can lose more and more interest in

822
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,099
actual people and this is harmful you

823
00:41:04,450 --> 00:40:59,839
know I don't think this is a good thing

824
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,460
for for society but that said moderation

825
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:08,000
is the key not ditching things I did not

826
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:10,609
write that because I am against porn or

827
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:13,930
anti-porn I didn't suddenly become prude

828
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:17,089
prudish because I have children it's

829
00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:21,160
just simply a fact that just like food

830
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:25,220
we're drinking or anything else we need

831
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:29,359
to monitor our intake see what is

832
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:32,569
actually enjoyable and what is actually

833
00:41:37,809 --> 00:41:36,560
harming us mm-hmm yeah well said so

834
00:41:40,540 --> 00:41:37,819
let's dive into it a little bit if

835
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:40,550
somebody is interested in doing this or

836
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:41,930
trying this out where would someone

837
00:41:49,210 --> 00:41:43,640
start or where would I guess a couple

838
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:49,220
start with this well you know the first

839
00:41:55,859 --> 00:41:53,599
of all we could grab my book and the

840
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:55,869
first thing that you would want to do is

841
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,380
master not master but gain competency

842
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:03,680
and then this is this this difference

843
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:07,760
between mastery and competency is key to

844
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:09,770
one of the great keys of life quite

845
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:13,010
frankly but you want to gain competency

846
00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:16,310
in the vaz breathing technique in the

847
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:19,160
inner fire technique and everything that

848
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:20,660
you know that I laid out in the

849
00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:22,460
beginning is that is going to help you

850
00:42:29,020 --> 00:42:26,060
regulate your energy it's going to help

851
00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:29,030
you regulate your excitement and in the

852
00:42:35,130 --> 00:42:32,180
case of well both men and women it's

853
00:42:38,279 --> 00:42:35,140
going to help you

854
00:42:42,479 --> 00:42:38,289
the flow of energy and in the case and

855
00:42:45,959 --> 00:42:42,489
then the flow of fluid during the sex

856
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:45,969
magical app so you know that would be

857
00:42:51,809 --> 00:42:48,130
the keys to get working on that aspect

858
00:42:56,699 --> 00:42:51,819
of it also meditation is key I say this

859
00:43:02,729 --> 00:42:56,709
about everything it evens it is this one

860
00:43:05,609 --> 00:43:02,739
huge aspect that just makes everything

861
00:43:08,029 --> 00:43:05,619
in every aspect of life better and in

862
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:08,039
this case is very important because

863
00:43:14,729 --> 00:43:11,950
through sex magic and through the inner

864
00:43:17,699 --> 00:43:14,739
fire technique you are going to be

865
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,709
turning the volume up on the energies of

866
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:19,650
the body and the mind

867
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:22,569
this doesn't mean just the good stuff

868
00:43:28,799 --> 00:43:26,079
this is also the bad stuff this is why

869
00:43:32,759 --> 00:43:28,809
you know they have people do a hundred

870
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:32,769
thousand prostrations or go through long

871
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:34,900
limb or something like that some kind of

872
00:43:42,959 --> 00:43:39,640
training or purification practice before

873
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:42,969
engaging in Tantra practice like this so

874
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:46,089
in this case meditation is key because

875
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:49,900
you want to be able to recognize thought

876
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,630
patterns when you're distracted when

877
00:43:57,089 --> 00:43:54,640
you're obsessed and be able to instantly

878
00:44:00,239 --> 00:43:57,099
disengage in those and that that only

879
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:00,249
comes with practice so I would say the

880
00:44:04,949 --> 00:44:02,410
place to start is the key practices

881
00:44:06,989 --> 00:44:04,959
towards the beginning then after that

882
00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:06,999
when you get into the sex practices you

883
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,589
can decide what you're interested in

884
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:11,440
there's there's a whole host of

885
00:44:17,249 --> 00:44:13,420
practices in them and our practice is

886
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:17,259
where you're invoking gods and spirits

887
00:44:24,209 --> 00:44:20,650
into yourself and then uniting sexually

888
00:44:27,449 --> 00:44:24,219
as those gods so for instance you know a

889
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:27,459
female can invoke Aphrodite a male can

890
00:44:34,529 --> 00:44:32,170
look aries and unite them both in the

891
00:44:36,979 --> 00:44:34,539
course of a ritual as a devotional act

892
00:44:39,509 --> 00:44:36,989
or is a magical act then there are

893
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:39,519
rituals in there for the creation of

894
00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:44,220
spirit there's rituals in there for

895
00:44:53,329 --> 00:44:49,880
for creating the elixir for creating the

896
00:44:56,839 --> 00:44:53,339
yeah well the elixir that is made from

897
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:56,849
the combined sexual fluid the Amrita in

898
00:45:03,620 --> 00:44:58,950
the east it would be called but the idea

899
00:45:07,250 --> 00:45:03,630
that the magically charged fluid of the

900
00:45:12,730 --> 00:45:07,260
male and female combined is a powerful

901
00:45:16,329 --> 00:45:12,740
medicine in an old one that seems to

902
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:16,339
appear in many places throughout history

903
00:45:22,849 --> 00:45:21,180
mm-hmm yeah I had a real great time

904
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:22,859
reading through all the vast

905
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:25,920
possibilities and one thing I thought

906
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,490
was pretty interesting was your idea for

907
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,160
body painting sigils because I'm kind of

908
00:45:36,290 --> 00:45:33,839
into the sigil magic thing actually to

909
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,300
be honest with you I still have a sigil

910
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,420
from your financial sorcery book taped

911
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:41,280
up on my monitor it's been there for I

912
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:44,160
don't know two plus years I haven't

913
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,690
really done much with it but look at it

914
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:48,000
occasionally but I thought that was a

915
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,560
pretty interesting idea because the

916
00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:51,359
sigil magic thing kind of resonates with

917
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:55,619
me and body painting would be taking it

918
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,690
to a new level well you know this is

919
00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,460
this is one of those things that I

920
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:02,460
developed you know during my teenage

921
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:06,630
years I of course like many other people

922
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:09,750
read modern magic where they talk about

923
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:12,960
the technique of looking at a sigil at

924
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:16,020
the moment of orgasm and then when I got

925
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:18,329
into the chaos magic stuff I really

926
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:21,660
opened up my practice where again you're

927
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:24,900
you're doing the sigil you're posting it

928
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:27,930
up somewhere and you're looking at it at

929
00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:30,359
the moment of orgasm but most people

930
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:32,190
were doing this is like you know they

931
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:34,920
would put this up on an altar and then

932
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:37,859
have to remember to look at it you know

933
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:40,619
when they're about to about to explode

934
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:45,930
and you know my thought was well why

935
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,660
would I want it on an altar or even on

936
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,119
you know why wouldn't I want it on my

937
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:54,560
partner so that I could absorb myself

938
00:47:01,260 --> 00:46:59,140
into the person that I'm having

939
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:01,270
so this is a technique that I had

940
00:47:06,570 --> 00:47:03,580
developed you know pretty early on

941
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,580
before before I was drinking age where

942
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:09,040
you would put the vigil not only on the

943
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:12,700
viewer and your partner's forehead but

944
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:16,210
back side Jeff you know wherever you

945
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:18,310
might be looking wherever whenever

946
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:21,310
you're doing whatever you're doing there

947
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:25,690
should be a sigil there yeah it's it's a

948
00:47:33,570 --> 00:47:28,980
really creative way of updating some

949
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:33,580
magical ideas but um what can you tell

950
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:37,510
us about invocation and sex well you

951
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:44,140
know onion the invocation in sexes in be

952
00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:48,550
calling down of a deity into yourself

953
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:54,190
and then having sex because the moment

954
00:47:59,970 --> 00:47:58,270
of orgasm is again not to keep beating

955
00:48:05,550 --> 00:47:59,980
this dead horse but is this ego

956
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:05,560
shattering moment right it is what in

957
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:08,500
the East they call a completion stage

958
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:11,230
practice so imagine this you're doing

959
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:14,200
your invocation you visualize your

960
00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:19,630
astral body as say I don't know take a

961
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:23,560
deity or spirit you know you you you

962
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:26,020
imagine your astral body or whatever to

963
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:33,340
be Cthulhu and so then you are so you

964
00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:36,310
have formed the habitat and then perhaps

965
00:48:43,950 --> 00:48:39,910
you have decorated the temple to create

966
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:43,960
a habitat with elder signs or whatever

967
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:46,840
kind of stuff you're doing obviously I'm

968
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:50,380
not advocating Cthulhu so you know using

969
00:48:57,060 --> 00:48:53,560
a planetary Association let's do Mars

970
00:49:01,980 --> 00:48:57,070
you are perhaps wearing some kind of red

971
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:01,990
robe and the the room that maybe has red

972
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:04,530
light bulbs and you've got a big old

973
00:49:11,849 --> 00:49:08,040
star on the ground a five-pointed star

974
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:11,859
you know you're you're calling upon

975
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:16,430
Aries then you do your prayer you you o

976
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:22,400
Aries you know big old got a war you

977
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:26,960
know come on down and you know enter me

978
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:30,650
and share your your wisdom and racks and

979
00:49:36,490 --> 00:49:33,410
all that kind of jazz all this is what

980
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:36,500
in the Eastern terms would be generation

981
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:40,040
stage in other words it's all stuff that

982
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:44,660
is contrived by the mind to achieve

983
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:49,640
something right mm-hmm so then you you

984
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:53,839
open it up now in a normal invocation

985
00:49:59,230 --> 00:49:56,630
this is where all that there is to the

986
00:50:03,010 --> 00:49:59,240
completion stage is that you open it up

987
00:50:05,710 --> 00:50:03,020
and you become receptive okay

988
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:05,720
so this would be the completion stage

989
00:50:12,329 --> 00:50:10,010
and this exists in Contra too but if

990
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,339
we're to do something more there are

991
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:15,520
practices that are completion stage and

992
00:50:21,609 --> 00:50:19,130
sex yoga is one of these practices that

993
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:21,619
is completion stage so if you are Aries

994
00:50:30,010 --> 00:50:26,270
now so now you are Aries is writing you

995
00:50:31,780 --> 00:50:30,020
probably not full possession as in you

996
00:50:34,299 --> 00:50:31,790
don't know where you are in Aries is

997
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,309
stomping around your house and looking

998
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:36,890
for a sword or some [\h__\h] like that but

999
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:41,690
you are sharing consciousness with Aries

1000
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:46,900
or you know you have this sense of

1001
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,049
martial energy entering you or know

1002
00:50:55,450 --> 00:50:53,359
whatever degree and in my strategic

1003
00:50:58,089 --> 00:50:55,460
sorcery course I talked about the

1004
00:51:01,120 --> 00:50:58,099
different degrees that there are it's

1005
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:01,130
not really a matter of something happens

1006
00:51:07,569 --> 00:51:02,690
something doesn't happen it's a matter

1007
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:07,579
of happening in degree so then you

1008
00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:12,250
engage in a sex magic practice and now

1009
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:16,520
you have you know you build this inner

1010
00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:19,960
fire you inner fire is a sublimation

1011
00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:23,030
practice alchemically you are making

1012
00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:24,580
something literally

1013
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:29,560
more so so you are taking your your

1014
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:32,650
aspheric body in your astral body into a

1015
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:34,690
certain extent your physical body and

1016
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:38,740
you are refining it you are burning away

1017
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:41,530
the physical draws this allows that

1018
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:46,330
spiritual essence to take a greater

1019
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:49,030
presence greater whole thus it is a

1020
00:51:53,490 --> 00:51:51,400
completion stage practice you don't need

1021
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:53,500
to contrive it with the mind you don't

1022
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,070
need to talk about it you do it and it

1023
00:52:02,370 --> 00:51:59,920
happens whether you believe in it or not

1024
00:52:05,310 --> 00:52:02,380
you don't need to believe in the process

1025
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,320
any more than you believe in starting

1026
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:08,460
your car it happens because it happened

1027
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:11,860
then the sex magic aspect of it you had

1028
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:14,410
you bring you know you you reach this

1029
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:17,680
moment of orgasm and that's the that's

1030
00:52:25,470 --> 00:52:22,060
the key moment the ego shatters and what

1031
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:25,480
is waiting to be filled fills you up Wow

1032
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:29,500
and so now you've gotten out of your own

1033
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:30,070
way

1034
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:33,130
you've blown apart your ego momentarily

1035
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:38,620
and what are.what instantly realises is

1036
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:43,360
this presence of Ares or Cthulhu or

1037
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:47,050
whatever and then then your own ego will

1038
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:52,090
naturally assert itself because you know

1039
00:52:59,880 --> 00:52:55,570
you're still attached to this body right

1040
00:53:04,230 --> 00:52:59,890
right so yeah so that's sort of why sex

1041
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:04,240
is so powerful a method for invocation

1042
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:08,050
it is a completion stage practice rather

1043
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:10,270
than just leaving the completion stage

1044
00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:15,370
open to okay now be here yeah I mean

1045
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:17,590
that's that's pretty well yeah you know

1046
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:19,750
I mean a lot of people put on airs about

1047
00:53:24,810 --> 00:53:22,150
how they're you know ours you know

1048
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:24,820
ridden maybe some people are telling the

1049
00:53:29,940 --> 00:53:27,130
truth about being fully possessed and

1050
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:29,950
certainly I seen possession happen in

1051
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,790
group ceremonies but a lot of people are

1052
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:36,640
faking it till they're naked too

1053
00:53:40,349 --> 00:53:39,220
I think that it sounds good to me of

1054
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:40,359
course I've never experienced anything

1055
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:42,010
like that but it sounds like a good work

1056
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,130
have you had any some pretty intense

1057
00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:49,119
experiences with invocation using the

1058
00:53:56,609 --> 00:53:53,109
sex magic oh goodness yes some of some

1059
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,619
of the most powerful experiences of my

1060
00:54:05,130 --> 00:53:58,480
life have been been brought about by

1061
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:05,140
this you know but I I try not to discuss

1062
00:54:14,009 --> 00:54:08,970
them too much I get that yeah because

1063
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:14,019
you know it's very they're important to

1064
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:17,260
me and they because they really happen

1065
00:54:21,299 --> 00:54:19,390
to me but once you start reporting them

1066
00:54:23,579 --> 00:54:21,309
to other people then it's really just

1067
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:23,589
about look how awesome I am

1068
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:27,130
I did this I you know had this into I

1069
00:54:32,099 --> 00:54:30,250
felt you know I saw myself flying and

1070
00:54:35,609 --> 00:54:32,109
and could actually see into people's

1071
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:35,619
houses and you know Ares himself entered

1072
00:54:40,019 --> 00:54:38,260
me and you know whatever whatever it is

1073
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:40,029
and amazing things can happen

1074
00:54:48,349 --> 00:54:44,680
the most amazing thing by far is the

1075
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:48,359
natural clarity that can arise from

1076
00:54:56,099 --> 00:54:53,410
operations like me but by talking about

1077
00:54:58,499 --> 00:54:56,109
it it doesn't really benefit anyone

1078
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:58,509
because the specifics are never going to

1079
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:02,319
be repeated right I get that it's all

1080
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:05,130
sort of just look at how awesome I am

1081
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:08,049
yeah it's these things a lot of times

1082
00:55:12,029 --> 00:55:09,970
our personal experiences but what can

1083
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:12,039
you tell us about cycling energy this

1084
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,470
sounds like a pretty high level sexual

1085
00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:16,000
experience I have to say that was

1086
00:55:20,759 --> 00:55:18,190
probably the most interesting to me well

1087
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:20,769
you know the cycling of energy between

1088
00:55:27,299 --> 00:55:23,890
people is I guess you could call it a

1089
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:27,309
high-level practice but I try not to

1090
00:55:34,289 --> 00:55:31,000
think of things that way I try instead

1091
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:34,299
to think of things as here's how you do

1092
00:55:39,779 --> 00:55:35,890
it and once you get the basics down

1093
00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:39,789
enough to do it then you give it a try

1094
00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:41,799
and at first you're not going to be

1095
00:55:47,249 --> 00:55:43,480
excellent at it and then later you'll be

1096
00:55:49,049 --> 00:55:47,259
excellent you'll be excellent at it or

1097
00:55:52,289 --> 00:55:49,059
you'll be competent at it and gain

1098
00:55:55,259 --> 00:55:52,299
results but then people obviously who

1099
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:55,269
spends years and years doing it get

1100
00:55:59,279 --> 00:55:57,609
amazing amazing results just like

1101
00:56:02,039 --> 00:55:59,289
martial arts you know you can get

1102
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:02,049
wonderful wonderful benefit from going

1103
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:04,150
to kung fu three nights a week

1104
00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:07,420
for ten years you know you're going to

1105
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,500
be a heck of a fighter and and gain some

1106
00:56:15,319 --> 00:56:13,599
wonderful health benefits from kung fu

1107
00:56:20,759 --> 00:56:15,329
but you're not going to be a shower

1108
00:56:24,059 --> 00:56:20,769
right so we have to recognize the role

1109
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:24,069
of confidence mastery and perfection and

1110
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:25,690
what we're in what we're actually

1111
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:29,710
seeking so the energy practices are

1112
00:56:37,799 --> 00:56:34,690
basically this it it is the idea that we

1113
00:56:40,529 --> 00:56:37,809
can unite with someone you know if it's

1114
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:40,539
a male and female pairing or people that

1115
00:56:47,759 --> 00:56:44,529
are running the male-female polarity

1116
00:56:50,509 --> 00:56:47,769
which same-sex couples have have said

1117
00:56:58,019 --> 00:56:50,519
that they can do and I have no reason to

1118
00:57:01,710 --> 00:56:58,029
to doubt that then you are you are

1119
00:57:05,059 --> 00:57:01,720
creating something greater than what you

1120
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:05,069
can do within your own self you are

1121
00:57:14,759 --> 00:57:09,359
benefiting from someone else's energy

1122
00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:14,769
that complements your own and hopefully

1123
00:57:22,529 --> 00:57:18,700
they are benefitting from yours and that

1124
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:22,539
you both grow and create something

1125
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:25,900
through this experience so the cycling

1126
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:29,230
of energy is simply a way to to take

1127
00:57:34,589 --> 00:57:31,480
what is already happening and make it

1128
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:34,599
better stronger more conscious so for

1129
00:57:40,859 --> 00:57:37,210
instance there are you know in the book

1130
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:40,869
I talk about just moving energy and see

1131
00:57:45,089 --> 00:57:43,210
glaze out your mouth into the mouth of

1132
00:57:48,509 --> 00:57:45,099
your partner down through their central

1133
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:48,519
channel out through their through their

1134
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:51,730
you know sexual organs into yours and

1135
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:55,390
keep this spiral flowing then there are

1136
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,670
certain mantra practices where you see

1137
00:58:02,520 --> 00:57:59,680
this happen where you're actually saying

1138
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:02,530
mantra internally and there are very

1139
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:05,500
specific energies that are circulated

1140
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:07,930
this way so that it gains the strength

1141
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:11,920
of everyone's you know of the worlds

1142
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:14,970
within worlds that exist within us and

1143
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:17,890
you know create something magnificent

1144
00:58:23,819 --> 00:58:21,160
mm-hmm yeah I really thought that was

1145
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:23,829
pretty interesting the idea of a Sikh

1146
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:26,410
Euler loop of euphoria between sexual

1147
00:58:31,410 --> 00:58:27,940
partners and building that energy

1148
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:31,420
because the idea of invoking entities is

1149
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:33,910
very interesting but I think most people

1150
00:58:41,099 --> 00:58:37,720
if they were to look into sex magic it

1151
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:41,109
would be more about increasing pleasure

1152
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:42,910
between the two partners rather than it

1153
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:46,270
would be bringing in some ethereal third

1154
00:58:54,089 --> 00:58:51,369
party yeah well you know I mean the

1155
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:54,099
great benefit of most of these practices

1156
00:59:00,000 --> 00:58:56,770
is that we do result in increased

1157
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:00,010
pleasure and and so on I almost want to

1158
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:01,450
have a second

1159
00:59:06,329 --> 00:59:03,250
you know subtitle for the book you know

1160
00:59:10,859 --> 00:59:06,339
like you know sex sorcery and spirit

1161
00:59:16,740 --> 00:59:10,869
ribbed for her pleasure written for her

1162
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:16,750
pleasure you know so it's you do have

1163
00:59:23,819 --> 00:59:20,410
this ways to increase the forea

1164
00:59:25,799 --> 00:59:23,829
again it's all about taking the act that

1165
00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:25,809
is already pretty damn awesome and

1166
00:59:31,799 --> 00:59:28,540
making it even more awesome making it go

1167
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:31,809
deeper more intense and longer mm-hmm

1168
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:35,049
and it seems like to do that the two

1169
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:37,630
introductory things that most males need

1170
00:59:41,339 --> 00:59:39,849
to do is the breathing you know the

1171
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:41,349
breathing becomes a huge part of it and

1172
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:42,849
then the fluid retention would you say

1173
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:45,609
those are the gateways to some of these

1174
00:59:52,859 --> 00:59:49,930
higher forms of it they are they are now

1175
00:59:56,339 --> 00:59:52,869
the fluid retention thing is something a

1176
00:59:58,500 --> 00:59:56,349
lot of people get really really into

1177
01:00:03,960 --> 00:59:58,510
this so you get people that are into the

1178
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:03,970
Dallas stuff and they they will also in

1179
01:00:07,340 --> 01:00:06,490
contract you know there are some Contras

1180
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,350
that

1181
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:10,260
one of the vows is to never again drop

1182
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:13,950
your seed thanks and you have you know

1183
01:00:19,850 --> 01:00:17,910
you have Dallas that including some

1184
01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:19,860
Westerners that are just sort of you

1185
01:00:25,310 --> 01:00:22,230
know studying on their own that take

1186
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:25,320
these vows to just retain semen and

1187
01:00:33,830 --> 01:00:29,250
never ever let the fluid drop they

1188
01:00:38,810 --> 01:00:33,840
report amazing health benefits from it

1189
01:00:41,780 --> 01:00:38,820
some people do not whatever you know I

1190
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:41,790
will let the science hash itself out on

1191
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:47,190
that what I can say is that it's not

1192
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:49,650
like a montage Chia thing in my book

1193
01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:52,020
where you must never ever do this again

1194
01:00:57,580 --> 01:00:55,380
it's about being able to control it it's

1195
01:01:00,430 --> 01:00:57,590
about if you're gonna let the fluid go

1196
01:01:01,580 --> 01:01:00,440
then you should be able to control when

1197
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,590
mm-hm

1198
01:01:08,330 --> 01:01:03,480
or you should be able to have an orgasm

1199
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:08,340
and not let it go and and to be able to

1200
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:11,750
then keep having sex after this intense

1201
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:15,290
magnificent experience you know this is

1202
01:01:22,070 --> 01:01:18,540
why we do what we do with the female

1203
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:22,080
attention not as sort of a a long time

1204
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:25,530
now but many people do take this long

1205
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:27,900
time though and I guess the way people

1206
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:28,980
get started with it it's pretty

1207
01:01:33,830 --> 01:01:31,410
self-explanatory you just block it off

1208
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:33,840
you know that you talk about the term

1209
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:36,960
locking which is basically just holding

1210
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:39,210
chamber so it's not gonna come out that

1211
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:43,920
seems painful it's not though it's not

1212
01:01:48,050 --> 01:01:46,020
painful that's interesting you know it's

1213
01:01:51,050 --> 01:01:48,060
not painful the next time you're you're

1214
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:51,060
having sex you know you can put your

1215
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:52,710
fingers down there do the three finger

1216
01:01:58,190 --> 01:01:55,950
lock and see for yourself it's not

1217
01:02:00,200 --> 01:01:58,200
painful that said there's more to it

1218
01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:00,210
than just the withholding of the fluid

1219
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:02,310
you want to be able to use you know it's

1220
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:04,410
not just that one lock there are three

1221
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,830
locks

1222
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:07,380
there's the lock the the throat lock

1223
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:10,410
which forces the upward flowing on a

1224
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:13,650
downward and then the the root lock

1225
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:15,930
which not only blocks the fluid but

1226
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:18,210
sends it upward so you want to master

1227
01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:20,760
those but seriously you know the next

1228
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:20,980
time

1229
01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:23,730
having sex if your or for that matter

1230
01:02:30,810 --> 01:02:27,310
giving the old Pamela Henderson yourself

1231
01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:30,820
you can you can reach down and just put

1232
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:33,880
pressure on the perineum and then hold

1233
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,690
your breath and then withdraw all of the

1234
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:39,520
lock system and it will withdraw the

1235
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:43,060
fluid back into the bladder but the

1236
01:02:49,020 --> 01:02:47,050
energy will flow up into the brain

1237
01:02:52,890 --> 01:02:49,030
you'll you'll feel it it's it's almost

1238
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:52,900
you can't not that's so interesting so

1239
01:02:57,420 --> 01:02:55,390
it's a it's a an orgasm still occurs but

1240
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,430
it basically sends the energy to

1241
01:03:01,560 --> 01:02:59,920
different parts of your body exactly

1242
01:03:04,370 --> 01:03:01,570
eggs on man

1243
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:04,380
very easy to practice with someone

1244
01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:06,700
giving you oral because they're already

1245
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:09,460
down there and they can reach up and do

1246
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:12,880
the job themselves easy if you're doing

1247
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:15,640
it yourself if you're actually having

1248
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:18,970
like missionary position sex or doggy

1249
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:21,130
style when it becomes a you know a more

1250
01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:23,290
difficult thing to reach down with your

1251
01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:25,270
hand and block it which is why you

1252
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:28,900
should practice the perineum lock your

1253
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:31,450
you know flex the perineum muscle mm-hmm

1254
01:03:35,069 --> 01:03:33,490
and when you do this successfully you

1255
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,079
don't have the same feelings of

1256
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:37,440
exhaustion you're able to continue

1257
01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:39,970
usually you're able to continue maybe

1258
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:42,700
not at first not your first few time

1259
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:44,950
right it's a frack but after a while yes

1260
01:03:49,319 --> 01:03:47,230
you'll you'll be able to have this

1261
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:49,329
experience you know yeah I'm not saying

1262
01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:51,790
you're gonna like keep going full force

1263
01:03:59,309 --> 01:03:55,900
you back it down back it down to not you

1264
01:04:01,500 --> 01:03:59,319
know use the slow hand you you know and

1265
01:04:06,359 --> 01:04:01,510
then you you build it back up and you

1266
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:06,369
you head at it again man I just I never

1267
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:08,440
really considered kink in that hose but

1268
01:04:12,420 --> 01:04:10,030
I guess it's worth a shot

1269
01:04:14,910 --> 01:04:12,430
well don't don't actually kink the hose

1270
01:04:17,579 --> 01:04:14,920
that's that's that's an emergency room

1271
01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:17,589
visit right right right

1272
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:20,920
that's not quite so literally it is

1273
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:23,920
about that time I had an awesome time

1274
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:26,260
I've learned a lot I really enjoyed your

1275
01:04:30,809 --> 01:04:28,089
book I thought it was super interesting

1276
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:30,819
and a lot of fun and before we really

1277
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:32,170
get out of here would you like to remind

1278
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:34,150
the people about your website where to

1279
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:34,990
get the book and

1280
01:04:40,290 --> 01:04:36,599
and some other things you got going on

1281
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:40,300
well the book is available through

1282
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:42,490
Amazon and is available through Barnes &

1283
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:45,250
Noble's and is available the best place

1284
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:46,830
to get it is of course your local

1285
01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:49,839
independent bookseller if you have one

1286
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:52,420
your local independent occult store if

1287
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:54,430
you have one most places desperately

1288
01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:55,210
need your support

1289
01:05:00,990 --> 01:04:57,849
otherwise it's available through any

1290
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,000
kind of major bookseller my books that

1291
01:05:06,359 --> 01:05:04,000
are done with new page I do not sell

1292
01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:06,369
myself so I am the one place you can't

1293
01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:10,270
get it unless you happen to be at a

1294
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:12,910
teaching that I'm physically at and then

1295
01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:15,010
I physically have copies that I can tell

1296
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:18,430
which happens every now and then but in

1297
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:20,890
general you want to get it from your

1298
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:23,410
local bookseller as for me you can find

1299
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:27,580
me at strategic sorcery net or just

1300
01:05:32,790 --> 01:05:29,560
Google strategic sorcery and you'll find

1301
01:05:34,530 --> 01:05:32,800
the blog I keep and all the other things

1302
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:34,540
going on and of course the strategic

1303
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:36,910
sorcery course which is sort of a

1304
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:41,830
gateway into my community my nice system

1305
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:46,330
of doing things it's a one-year course

1306
01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:48,790
that cost a hundred and fifty dollars

1307
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:52,359
and it's fifty two lessons of just

1308
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:56,290
hardcore practical magic right on well

1309
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,960
we did cover a lot of grounds a lot of

1310
01:06:02,849 --> 01:06:01,119
interesting topics do you have any final

1311
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:02,859
thoughts to leave the people with on the

1312
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:07,859
subject of sex magic no just practice

1313
01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:11,940
safe sane consensual and and

1314
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:17,640
enthusiastic and fun sex don't let the

1315
01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:20,640
technology the technical aspects

1316
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:24,430
withdraw from the passion there's a lot

1317
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:26,560
of even sex magic writers out there to

1318
01:06:30,930 --> 01:06:29,470
talk about passionless sex that you know

1319
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:30,940
you need to be focused on the goal

1320
01:06:38,220 --> 01:06:34,480
that's bold Dinky the passion needs to

1321
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:38,230
be there for it to work so Master the

1322
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:41,290
tech but don't let it extinguish the

1323
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:44,170
flame of passion well said

1324
01:06:47,790 --> 01:06:45,760
an awesome thing to leave on Jason

1325
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:47,800
thanks again had a great time keep doing

1326
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,730
what you do out there

1327
01:06:53,730 --> 01:06:50,160
and take care of yourself all right man

1328
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:53,740
thanks for having me you got it there we

1329
01:06:59,099 --> 01:06:56,050
have it folks Jason Miller and the taboo

1330
01:07:00,450 --> 01:06:59,109
topic that is sex magic I hope it was

1331
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:00,460
interesting for you I think there's

1332
01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:02,200
definitely meat on those bones lots of

1333
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,790
stuff I hadn't heard before just in the

1334
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:05,920
first hour getting that internal heat

1335
01:07:11,070 --> 01:07:09,040
going cycling that energy doing your

1336
01:07:13,740 --> 01:07:11,080
breathing exercises getting those locks

1337
01:07:15,330 --> 01:07:13,750
in place and from there in the plus show

1338
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:15,340
we talked about some of the more far out

1339
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:18,190
stuff like erotic comatose lucidity

1340
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:20,290
that's a trippy one the earthenware

1341
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:22,510
virgin technique and other ideas and

1342
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:24,280
rituals for creating your own her monk

1343
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:27,940
ulis or spiritual entity out of the

1344
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:30,310
sexual fluids we talked about Jack

1345
01:07:34,260 --> 01:07:32,380
Parsons and Al ron Hubbard's personal

1346
01:07:36,270 --> 01:07:34,270
attempts to create a moon child or monk

1347
01:07:38,310 --> 01:07:36,280
ulis we talked about some possible

1348
01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:38,320
connections between cryptids and magic

1349
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:42,630
or spirits the patroling mudra which is

1350
01:07:47,609 --> 01:07:45,640
creating a suction effect with the penis

1351
01:07:49,770 --> 01:07:47,619
the Yogi's of India have demonstrated

1352
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:49,780
this ability in a lot of ways one being

1353
01:07:54,810 --> 01:07:52,450
sucking out fuel and shooting it into a

1354
01:07:56,190 --> 01:07:54,820
fire that's one thing they do I mean

1355
01:07:57,570 --> 01:07:56,200
they don't have cable over there people

1356
01:08:00,300 --> 01:07:57,580
so what do you want

1357
01:08:02,430 --> 01:08:00,310
we also discussed the sixth Dalai Lama

1358
01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:02,440
who is not keen on the celibacy thing

1359
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:04,540
and we got into Crowley's adventures

1360
01:08:08,820 --> 01:08:06,940
into sexual alchemy and a couple other

1361
01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:08,830
cool things so check that out and

1362
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:10,780
support the show at the same time I'm

1363
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:12,850
glad we could do it I think sex magic

1364
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:15,850
like any form is a tool and interesting

1365
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:17,650
to get a sense of what types of energies

1366
01:08:21,599 --> 01:08:19,330
and effects can be achieved through

1367
01:08:23,309 --> 01:08:21,609
sexual rituals obviously we hear a lot

1368
01:08:25,710 --> 01:08:23,319
of rumors about the shadowy elite

1369
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:25,720
partaking in sexual rituals of a darker

1370
01:08:29,670 --> 01:08:27,880
tone and of course that's not what this

1371
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:29,680
was about but getting a little knowledge

1372
01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:32,230
on this stuff on a 101 level I think

1373
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:33,880
helps us to get a better understanding

1374
01:08:37,999 --> 01:08:35,850
of some of those rumors perhaps maybe

1375
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:38,009
gives us a little bit of discernment

1376
01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:40,810
when hearing some of those wilder

1377
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:42,790
stories and maybe it just gives you a

1378
01:08:45,900 --> 01:08:44,440
great opportunity to bring stuff like

1379
01:08:47,550 --> 01:08:45,910
this up to your partner without being

1380
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:47,560
creepy you know it's not like you were

1381
01:08:50,490 --> 01:08:48,850
out there looking this stuff up on the

1382
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:50,500
internet it just happened to come up on

1383
01:08:54,690 --> 01:08:52,359
a podcast you like and it got you

1384
01:08:55,530 --> 01:08:54,700
thinking about it being about a boom I

1385
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:55,540
don't have to have the whole

1386
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,370
conversation for you but I hope that you

1387
01:09:00,720 --> 01:08:59,440
do have a great Valentine's Day and you

1388
01:09:02,370 --> 01:09:00,730
take the opportunity to make your

1389
01:09:04,110 --> 01:09:02,380
partner feel good

1390
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:04,120
if you're single well take the

1391
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:05,650
opportunity to do something that makes

1392
01:09:09,539 --> 01:09:07,210
you a more appealing partner when

1393
01:09:11,849 --> 01:09:09,549
someone does come around we can all make

1394
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,859
those improvements and I myself I gotta

1395
01:09:15,419 --> 01:09:13,359
get out of here I got a dinner to make

1396
01:09:18,629 --> 01:09:15,429
for that little special somebody in my

1397
01:09:20,729 --> 01:09:18,639
own life so take care and I will see you

1398
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:20,739
in just a few days with a cryptozoology

1399
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:22,630
show that I think it's pretty fun and a

1400
01:09:25,709 --> 01:09:24,130
little bit different with a great guest

1401
01:09:28,410 --> 01:09:25,719
you might have heard of on coast to

1402
01:09:30,419 --> 01:09:28,420
coast by the name of Jacy Johnson and to

1403
01:09:33,599 --> 01:09:30,429
play us out today is a very special

1404
01:09:36,329 --> 01:09:33,609
treat Nick tetra has altered the words

1405
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,339
to a classic song and made it about THC

1406
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:38,319
which is great so if anyone else can

1407
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:40,900
make a THC themed cover song and tweak

1408
01:09:44,879 --> 01:09:43,120
it in a similar way I would be so happy

1409
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:44,889
I will definitely give you a shout out

1410
01:09:48,059 --> 01:09:46,600
so please send me any of those if you

1411
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:48,069
can at the higher side shots at

1412
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,980
gmail.com I'll also include a link to

1413
01:09:56,060 --> 01:09:52,960
more of Nick's stuff with this episode

1414
01:10:01,339 --> 01:09:56,070
and that said I guess I'm out of here so

1415
01:10:10,180 --> 01:10:05,450
we're calling them out on

1416
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:10,190
uncovering secrets and conspiracies

1417
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:11,970
everybody's

1418
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:18,930
I want to use you some of them want to

1419
01:10:33,180 --> 01:10:22,860
get used by you some of them want to

1420
01:10:35,220 --> 01:10:35,020
[Music]

1421
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:35,230
[Applause]

1422
01:10:47,370 --> 01:10:36,790
[Music]

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01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:49,820
Green

1424
01:10:52,350 --> 01:10:51,470
and

1425
01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:52,360
[Music]

1426
01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:54,580
[Applause]

1427
01:11:00,150 --> 01:10:58,070
the Sunday

1428
01:11:01,580 --> 01:11:00,160
see you

1429
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:01,590
[Applause]